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[Bug 191889] Re: Ubuntu's new "Offline Mode" feature cannot properly detect when there is a valid network available for use in many circumstances
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Kristian Erik Hermansen
2008-05-11 17:42:43 UTC
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** Summary changed:

- Firefox's new "Offline Mode" feature cannot properly detect when there is a valid network available for use in many circumstances
+ Ubuntu's new "Offline Mode" feature cannot properly detect when there is a valid network available for use in many circumstances

** Also affects: pidgin (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New

** Also affects: evolution (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New

** Changed in: evolution (Ubuntu)
Status: New => Confirmed

** Changed in: pidgin (Ubuntu)
Status: New => Confirmed
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Sebastien Bacher
2008-05-11 19:38:35 UTC
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that's not a bug due to the applications, there are only using the
network-manager informations, why did you open those tasks? closing this
one

** Changed in: evolution (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided => Low
Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs)
Status: Confirmed => Invalid
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Sokraates
2008-05-11 21:15:22 UTC
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I made further experiments and partially solved the problem:

Start the (UMTS) modem, start Firefox, select "File" -> "Work Offline".
"Work Offline" should now be unchecked and Firefox should now work
properly.

Interestingly, most of the rest of my system reacted on this change,
too. Adept and Evolution both work. Konqueror, on the other hand, still
refuses to recognize the connection through the modem.
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Alexander Sack
2008-05-12 01:22:11 UTC
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this is not a firefox bug; anyway, i ack that this is somewhat a bug in
that firefox devs decided to use network-manager. Thus, wontfix (not
invalid).

** Changed in: firefox-3.0 (Ubuntu)
Status: Confirmed => Won't Fix
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wm-ubuntu
2008-05-13 01:05:51 UTC
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I'm running kubuntu 8.04 and firefox 3 both fully updated. When I'm
using my wired connection everything works fine, but when I disconnect
my wired connection and enable my wireless connection firefox switches
to ofline mode, and konqueror refuses to work. However I can still ping
and ssh from a command prompt, the package manager is also able to find
the wireless internet. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can
get firefox and konqueror to recognize my wireless connection. I'm using
the wireless assistant to manage that connection.
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Sokraates
2008-05-13 08:50:42 UTC
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As written above, in Firefox select "File" -> "Work Offline". "Work
Offline" should now be unchecked and Firefox should now work properly.
For Konqueror I don't know a solution.

Do you use a "regular" wireless (wifi) or a wireless UMTS modem? A wifi-
connection should be picked up by network-manager and you shouldn't have
this problem in the first place.
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phoenix12345
2008-05-13 22:14:12 UTC
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It's not a serious bug, but it sure is annoying. I use a ADSL connection
with a Thompson Speedtouch 330 and have no network connection.
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John Vivirito
2008-05-15 22:01:47 UTC
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Added [MASTER] to summary since people have been marking bugs to a
different bug that is a dup of this.
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~ John Vivirito

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** Summary changed:

- Ubuntu's new "Offline Mode" feature cannot properly detect when there is a valid network available for use in many circumstances
+ [MASTER] Ubuntu's new "Offline Mode" feature cannot properly detect when there is a valid network available for use in many circumstances
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Kristian Erik Hermansen
2008-05-15 23:18:11 UTC
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I just wanted to say "I told you so". I kicked and screamed about this
bug for a while before the official Hardy release, but no one would
listen. Now, I assure you that the comments to this bug will continue
to grow onwards for the 3 years Hardy is supported on the Desktop, which
is pretty ridiculous. Firefox is becoming the effective "Operating
System" for constant web browsing folks addicted to web 2.66666..., and
there is no reason Firefox should depend on Network Manager. I thought
the one thing that set Linux apart from Windows was the decoupling of
components and not forcing people to use certain packages if that is not
necessary. Ubuntu has taken a turn for the worse in this specific
decision with Firefox, and let's just hope it doesn't continue to happen
in the future. We have too much to lose as a community. Let's keep the
progress going and not start to build another Microsoft :-)
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bendis
2008-05-16 06:14:06 UTC
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Hi!

I believe that most of these problems (n-m + dial-up => offline) are
tightly related to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source
/network-manager/+bug/147119. The network-manager just fails to detect
wheather a modem connected successfully or not. Please fix the bug
#147119 - the fix is really trivial and patches were provided almost two
months ago. It will surely help a lot of users...

Regards,
Bendis
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James Ward
2008-05-16 13:21:04 UTC
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One other part of this bug which has not been mentioned here is that
when you connect via dial-up you can't use NetworkManager to setup a
VPN.

Also, I've heard that NetworkManager 0.7 fixes these problems.
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John Vivirito
2008-05-16 16:17:13 UTC
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James Ward wrote:
| One other part of this bug which has not been mentioned here is that
| when you connect via dial-up you can't use NetworkManager to setup a
| VPN.
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| Also, I've heard that NetworkManager 0.7 fixes these problems.
|
AS i understand n-m 7 wasn't stable for Hardy release or was just stable
at time and we wouldnt have had time to add it. Network-Manager .7
should be in Intrepid barring any problems,

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trollord
2008-05-17 11:35:20 UTC
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In case you feel Ubuntu developers are neglecting this important bug,
switch to Fedora. Their Network Manager is configured to automatically
handle grps/umts connections properly, including making sure the
applications also are in online mode. Mostly all you have to do is to
plug in your whatever modem and off you go.
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Kristian Erik Hermansen
2008-05-17 17:16:20 UTC
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Post by trollord
In case you feel Ubuntu developers are neglecting this important bug,
switch to Fedora. Their Network Manager is configured to automatically
handle grps/umts connections properly, including making sure the
applications also are in online mode. Mostly all you have to do is to
plug in your whatever modem and off you go.
Which versions of Fedora support this feature properly?
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Simone Tolotti
2008-05-17 19:56:55 UTC
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Fedora9 has NM0.7 ... not tested yet...
Foresight 2.0 has it too, I've tested it and working great with my 3g usb modem.
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Christian Mannß
2008-05-21 11:12:11 UTC
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I have the same problem. I use my internal UMTS modem of my Dell
notebook to connect to the internet by using umtsmon. Applications like
Firefox, Evolution and Pidgim always starts in offline mode, mybe
transmission (but this could be an other problem)
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hce
2008-05-21 20:32:35 UTC
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I confirm this bug. depending on where I connect fromI use both network manager (for ethernet and wireless), and a custom udev script that brings up pppoatm automatically when the ADSL USB modem is connected (aetra modem, ueagle-atm driver - see http://atm.eagle-usb.org/wakka.php?wiki=UEagleAtmUdevEn).
network manager fails to detect that the ppp connection is up, and as a consequence evolution and firefox start in offline mode. yes, this is a nm bug, not mozilla or evolution's.
as I sometimes use it, uninstalling network manager is not an acceptable solution for me either.
it should just recognize that a ppp interface is up, even if it does not manage it, and set status to online.
at most, it could require the user to configure a certain interface as "not managed by nm but valid for online status".
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Kristian Erik Hermansen
2008-05-21 21:45:51 UTC
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SOLUTION:

Add Alexander Sack's PPA repository to your /etc/apt/sources.list:
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/asac/ubuntu hardy main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/asac/ubuntu hardy main

Then update and install latest package. Let us know if it works for you...
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Matt Brannock
2008-05-21 22:33:29 UTC
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I've installed the update to NetworkManager, and have lost the "Dial-up
connections" option in the contextual menu. I've tried configuring dial-
up using "Manage Connections", but this does not work. My present "sudo
ifup ppp0" still works to bring up the connection, but NM doesn't
recognize the connection and Firefox still starts offline.

How can I get back the (previously working) contextual menu? This might
get NM the proper dbus signals to know it's connected via PPP.
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Kristian Erik Hermansen
2008-05-21 23:00:19 UTC
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Post by Matt Brannock
I've installed the update to NetworkManager, and have lost the "Dial-up
connections" option in the contextual menu. I've tried configuring dial-
up using "Manage Connections", but this does not work. My present "sudo
ifup ppp0" still works to bring up the connection, but NM doesn't
recognize the connection and Firefox still starts offline.
How can I get back the (previously working) contextual menu? This might
get NM the proper dbus signals to know it's connected via PPP.
I'm not sure how to get back the contextual menu, but if you want to
revert to the previous version of NetworkManager, then these are the
steps involved:

* remove network manager
* purge apt cache
* remove the PPA lines you added to /etc/apt/sources.list
* update your apt sources
* install old network manager
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Simone Tolotti
2008-05-22 08:32:34 UTC
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Do not use asac's ppa nm-0.7 packages!!!
They works even worse than 0.6.6 and removing them is not easy (at least for a newbie).
Probably packages are very old (20080121) and they really needs to be updated!
Foresight : NetworkManager=0.7.0.r3332-0.1-1
Fedora9 : NetworkManager-0.7.0-0.9.3.svn3623
I've tried both Foresight 2.0 an Fedora9 and NM works great and out-of-the-box for me.
I know that we'll have the same features in Intrepid, but I hope that in the meantime someone will provide working backport/ppa packages. Thanks!
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Alexander Sack
2008-05-26 11:57:08 UTC
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Post by Simone Tolotti
Do not use asac's ppa nm-0.7 packages!!!
Confirmed. I will publish updated 0.7 packages soon. Until then,
please dont use or advice to use them ... at least not for this bug.

- Alexander
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PearZoo
2008-05-29 14:49:28 UTC
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Best thing I even did was remove network-manager and install WiCD. There
is just no comparison, network-manager has always, in my opinion been
the poor cousin of WicCD.

Install instructions here:

http://www.ubuntugeek.com/wicd-wired-and-wireless-network-manager-for-
ubuntu.html

Good luck
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fusspilz
2008-05-29 20:18:48 UTC
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Thanks PearZoo,
WicCD was a painless solution for me on kubuntu,
I hope it makes the way into the ubuntu repositories.
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antistress
2008-05-31 14:35:46 UTC
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My father has a RTC connexion (serial modem 56K) and Firefox 3b5 on Ubuntu 8.04, whereas gnome-ppp handles the connexion, and Firefox always starts in offline mode.
I've desactivated network-manager on startup (from preferences menu) but it didn't fix the problem
Uninstalling network-manager from synaptic solved the problem.

Then for me the solution was :
uninstall network-manager
Make use of gnome-ppp to handle the internet connexion

Note that i've also tried to connect through System>Administration>Network
The connexion was ok but Firefox couldn't make use of it to access to internet
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Peter
2008-06-01 04:27:31 UTC
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The bug is in firefox and evolution. Thunderbird starts off online.
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hce
2008-06-02 09:44:47 UTC
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Post by Peter
The bug is in firefox and evolution. Thunderbird starts off online.
this only means that thunderbird does not read online status from nm.
the problem is that nm does not recognize network connections that it does not manage, and pretends to be offline even if there is a perfectly working internet connection .
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Alexander Sack
2008-06-05 18:04:17 UTC
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upstream will land a hidden pref that you can use to disable network
manager ... to mitigate this.

** Bug watch added: Mozilla Bugzilla #424626
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=424626

** Also affects: network-manager via
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=424626
Importance: Unknown
Status: Unknown

** Changed in: firefox-3.0 (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided => Medium
Status: Won't Fix => In Progress

** Also affects: firefox via
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=424626
Importance: Unknown
Status: Unknown

** Changed in: network-manager
Importance: Unknown => Undecided
Bugwatch: Mozilla Bugzilla #424626 => None
Status: Unknown => New

** Changed in: network-manager
Status: New => Confirmed
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Bug Watch Updater
2008-06-05 18:10:27 UTC
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** Changed in: firefox
Status: Unknown => Confirmed
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catsophie
2008-06-06 19:52:56 UTC
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I confirm this bug on Fedora 9.0/Firefox 3.0b5. I have set
network:online to be 'true' in the about:config page, totally useless.
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Alex
2008-06-08 16:43:01 UTC
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me too Firefox 3 begin with offline on Ubuntu 8.04
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Eric Lee Elliott
2008-06-16 15:09:41 UTC
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Firefox3 is now staying on line in one computer. Network Manger
has been removed. Network Manager was problematic in general. NM
would not leave ethernet port off. NM would not consistently use
only one preferred wlan port.
Without NM, kppp still does my Internet connection and FF3 is
always on line. Still using ATT cellular modem, Sierra AC875 to
access Internet.

Updated Kubuntu, KDE4, 32 bit Intel & Intel 945 system.

Next I will remove NM from 64 bit Athlon system and install FF3.

I fear I am one of many that have or are converting to using KDE
software rather than Mozilla.
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Alexander Sack
2008-06-09 10:19:58 UTC
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** Summary changed:

- [MASTER] Ubuntu's new "Offline Mode" feature cannot properly detect when there is a valid network available for use in many circumstances
+ [MASTER] "Offline Mode" feature fails to detect some cases of networks that are managed outside of network manager.

** Summary changed:

- [MASTER] "Offline Mode" feature fails to detect some cases of networks that are managed outside of network manager.
+ [MASTER] "Offline Mode" feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager.
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Bipin Thite
2008-06-15 14:20:10 UTC
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Same issue is here also.
I'm using Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) with Firefox-3.0b5. I connect to the internet via dial-up mobile-phone-modem and with gprs subscription. Whenever I launch Firefox it always starts in Offline mode, and it doesn't matter whether I'm connected to the internet or not, it does the same, always.
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mistrynitesh
2008-06-19 09:57:52 UTC
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Updated to the final release of Firefox 3 from Synaptic. Still the
problem persists. Also the Network manager shows "No network connection"
even when I am typing this online. It used to be so even at the time of
Gutsy, but FF2 didn't bother me. The problem also shows up in Pidgin.
Hope anyone does something about this, without arguing whether it is a
Firefox problem or NM.
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forza
2008-06-20 08:45:26 UTC
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I also have installed the Opera 9.5 browser and it connects without any
problem. Firefox 3 is a different story. I have to got to: File -> Work
offline to get online yet Opera 9.5 goes online with no problems
whatsoever. It is not as fast as firefox 3, though.

Opera for 32 bit (k)ubuntu:

http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?opsys=Linux%20i386&lng=en&ver=9.50&platform=Linux%20i386&local=y

Opera for 64 bit (k)ubuntu:

http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?opsys=Linux%20x86_64&lng=en&ver=9.50&platform=Linux%20x86_64&local=y

I know installing another browser is not an optimal solution...
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mistrynitesh
2008-06-20 17:54:33 UTC
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I installed Wicd as mentioned earlier in this report by PearZoo which
automatically removed network manager and its gnome front-end... and now
all the apps are working fine
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Henry Wertz
2008-06-21 08:54:27 UTC
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I've found a kludgy "fix" for this (that doesn't just involve
removing nm, since it's wireless and wired handling are nice). In my
case, I have a Inspiron 2200 with wifi set via ndiswrapper (which works
fine) and an aircard (Verizon PC5740) which worked except for the
"Offline mode" problem. So it's the case where if I don't have wifi,
and dial via CDMA, I get the "Work Offline" stuff going on.

So, if I go into /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager.conf, I inserted in line 18 (all on one line):
<deny send_interface="org.freedesktop.NetworkManager" send_member="state"/>

(That's in the 'policy at_console="true" ' section of the file in
case yours is arranged a little differently for whatever reason.)

This file seems to be checked on-the-fly, I could change this and
see an immediate effect on firefox (although I rebooted to check for
side effects).

Consequences:
This blocks firefox and any other app's attempt to get the online/offline state from NetworkManager, which makes it (and probably any other apps that try to check NetworkManager) decide Networkmanager is not there and assume online state. It ALSO blocks nm-applets access to this though...
Since nm-applet can't get the online/offline state from NetworkManager either, it doesn't show online state properly (it'll show the exclamation mark while the network is up and running fine for static IP wifi and ethernet)... For regular ol' DHCP wifi, it does still show the signal bars (since blocking "status" doesn't block wifi signal strength info).
Also, under "manual configuration" the "Roaming mode" text changes to "This network interface is not configured", and the checked "Roaming mode" checkboxes change to uncheckd "Enable this connection" checkboxes. But the interface seems consistent and to behave itself. Problem solved as far as I'm concerned, until I got to NetworkManager 0.7!
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I've found a kludgy "fix" for this (that doesn't just involve
removing nm, since it's wireless and wired handling are nice). In my
case, I have a Inspiron 2200 with wifi set via ndiswrapper (which works
fine) and an aircard (Verizon PC5740) which worked except for the
"Offline mode" problem. So it's the case where if I don't have wifi,
and dial via CDMA, I get the "Work Offline" stuff going on.
<deny send_interface="org.freedesktop.NetworkManager" send_member="state"/>
(That's in the 'policy at_console="true" ' section of the file in
case yours is arranged a little differently for whatever reason.)
Do you have more than one login session running when you see this
issue?

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Do you have more than one login session running when you see this
issue?
Nope.. just one session. Without my kludge, It's just like what Daniel Newman etc. have described where the CDMA aircard is a PPP link, and NetworkManager0.6x apparently doesn't track PPP state. If I use wifi, or ethernet, firefox is online. If I don't have a wifi or ethernet connection, and use PPP only, firefox decides I'm offline.

With the kludge, as I say, nm-applet doesn't show proper status for
ethernet or static IP wifi (or PPP) (the machine DOES get online, nm-
applet just doesn't show it.) For normal wifi, nm-applet doesn't show
the DHCP swirl but otherwise does operate fully (shows access point
list, joins access points, shows signal strength, etc.) And, at all
points, firefox shows online status as the UNIX gods intended 8-).
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Well I have just upgraded to kubuntu Hardy which has the fully fledged firefox3 packages.
FF3 starts in offline mode for me when connected via a speedtouch usb modem. I connect to it using pon/poff as NM does not recognize any modem is plugged in.
Habitually I have always closed the NM applet before trying to use pon as kmail will not notice my pop3 account to send mail but will collect via smtp if NM applet is running.
I don't want to remove NM as when I have to use cable or wireless this works well (or at least it did in 7.10 - not in a position to test this for a month or so)
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oops! brain not switched on today - re comment above, I got my pop3 and smtp back to front. just to put is straight I can send via smtp but not collect via pop3 (kmail thinks it can't see the pop3 server).
Interestingly, today I found out how to add ppp to my interfaces file and now I can connect using NM - right click, dial up connections but although this gives me internet FF3 still starts in offline mode and I still can't collect mail! shutting NM then lets me collect mail and continue to use the internet but FF3 still starts in offline mode.

from this I would say there is a problem in FF3 but also one in NM
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Simone Tolotti
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If you want to try nm-0.7 you should add dalbers' ppa following this guide:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=797059

Working great for me!
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If you want to try nm-0.7 you could add dalbers' ppa following this guide:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=797059

Working great here!
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http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=797059
Remember: if you use that package you have to take care on your own
that you get the real NM 0.7 once it comes out. I cant look at PPA
versions to ensure that you will be auto upgraded.

Use the edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager PPA instead!!!

The applet should be there in a few ... everything else should already
be available.

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Thanks Simone but just before I read your fix I managed to get my system
working, after and lot of googling and fiddling. It was dead simple once
I found out what to do (but aren't most things, once figured out?)

I tinkered with /etc/network/interfaces
my original was like this

auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
address 127.0.0.1
netmask 255.0.0.0

and now it is like this

auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
address 127.0.0.1
netmask 255.0.0.0

iface ppp0 inet ppp
provider tiscali

iface eth0 inet dhcp

iface eth1 inet dhcp

I can select tiscali from the network manager right-click dialup connections and hang up later instead of pon tiscali / poff
I can see and connect to wireless when a signal is around and I guess I will be able to plug a cat5 cable and get a network if one was to hand.

FF3 now knows it is on line and starts accordingly. Kmail sends and
receives mail fine. skype and kopete work fine (always did but nice to
know I've not messed them up).
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Jonathan Blow
2008-06-29 23:03:09 UTC
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Also having this problem. Ubuntu 8.04, FIrefox 3. Using an EVDO modem
over ppp. Only one login session.

I am about to try Henry's fix (blocking Firefox from performing the
query) but I wanted to post first before I have to close all my browser
windows.

This is absolutely a bug in Firefox, regardless of whether there is a
bug in Network Manager. Firefox should be reality-based when it comes
to making this decision: it should look at the actual routing tables and
what they are doing, not asking some high-level app.

It's annoying to see this bug still not set to status Confirmed when it
is so obviously broken, and so many people are experiencing it. I
understand why earlier posters to this thread would be angry with the
response.
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I also want to point out that what's in config files should be
irrelevant. Why is Firefox checking network config files? It should
just check the actual network.
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Confirmed, Henry's fix works for me.
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@Alexander:
I'm glad to see that ~network-manager PPA was updated.
At the time I've added dalbers' ppa to my sources.list, ~network-manager PPA was stuck at svn20080121.
Hope you'll keep it updated in the future. Thanks.
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I'm glad to see that ~network-manager PPA was updated.
At the time I've added dalbers' ppa to my sources.list, ~network-manager PPA was stuck at svn20080121.
Hope you'll keep it updated in the future. Thanks.
The PPA will track intrepid for for hardy. so yes, it should be
regularly updated now. Please be double sure that you have all the
packages replaced by the one from ~network-manager as all versions are
lower than the one in dalbers ppa.

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Rick Gatewood
2008-07-01 01:32:36 UTC
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I can also confirm this problem with Firefox 3. I had to downgrade my
uncle's computer to Firefox 2. He uses dialup and never had any problem
before. Firefox 3 always starting offline was really confusing him.

I hope this gets fixed soon. It is really tough for folks who have to
use a modem anyway and this just makes it worse!
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2008-07-01 23:35:16 UTC
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I have a solution that I think is as near perfect as it gets. It is very
simple.

The problem: I need NetworkManager for connecting my laptop to wifi and
ethernet. However, it messes me up when I am on PPP.

The solution: kill Network Manager before running pppd and revive it
after, e.g.:

#!/bin/sh
killall NetworkManager
pppd my_isp
NetworkManager

I run the above script whenever I need to connect via PPP. I never run
pppd alone outside of this script.

That gives me a basically 100% correct behavior at all times. If I stop
PPP, or pull out my broadband modem card, pppd stops and NetworkManager
starts and is ready to serve me. When I am on PPP, NetworkManager is not
bothering me with incorrect behavior.

I have been very happy in the last few days and think that it should
work for just about anyone.

i
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Kristian Erik Hermansen
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Another solution might be to write a firefox addon to always disable
offline mode at startup. Notice that firefox already does this when
you are asked if you would like to upgrade to a new addon revision.
It is quite ridiculous that we must resort to fixing this issue via a
custom firefox addon. I still want to strangle the person who thought
is would be a nice idea to make firefox rely on
networkmanager...*rolls eyes*
Post by ichudov
I have a solution that I think is as near perfect as it gets. It is very
simple.
The problem: I need NetworkManager for connecting my laptop to wifi and
ethernet. However, it messes me up when I am on PPP.
The solution: kill Network Manager before running pppd and revive it
#!/bin/sh
killall NetworkManager
pppd my_isp
NetworkManager
I run the above script whenever I need to connect via PPP. I never run
pppd alone outside of this script.
That gives me a basically 100% correct behavior at all times. If I stop
PPP, or pull out my broadband modem card, pppd stops and NetworkManager
starts and is ready to serve me. When I am on PPP, NetworkManager is not
bothering me with incorrect behavior.
I have been very happy in the last few days and think that it should
work for just about anyone.
i
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2008-07-05 01:18:08 UTC
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What exactly is the point of Offline Mode in the first place? Is it
worth all the trouble it is causing?

Maybe we should file "Existence of Offline Mode" as a bug.
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2008-07-05 23:03:03 UTC
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---^ I second Jonathan Blow's idea.. having apps behave differently if
they think they are online or not is just not "UNIXey". IMHO, they
should do what they are told, and just find out they have "no route to
host" if there in fact isn't one.
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BEST POSSIBLE WORKAROUND by my ridiculous addon:
http://www.kristian-hermansen.com/code/disable.offline.mode/disable.offline.mode.html

Just install the Firefox extension I developed and you will never see
the "Offline Mode" problem again. Email me if you have any problems
with this XPI. Enjoy... :-)

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2008-07-07 09:39:37 UTC
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http://www.kristian-hermansen.com/code/disable.offline.mode/disable.offline.mode.html
Just install the Firefox extension I developed and you will never see
the "Offline Mode" problem again. Email me if you have any problems
with this XPI. Enjoy... :-)
Real fix to disable network manager in firefox will land in 3.0.1
update - which probably will land soon. stay tuned. Ill keep you
updated.


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2008-07-07 10:48:19 UTC
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Glad to hear a firefox fix will appear soon. Using ppp with knetworkmanager is a big improvement and it would be nice to remove the eth0 eth1 descriptions from my interfaces file to let nm look after them and show the online status on the task bar - this would be possible, once ff3 is fixed, if it were not for the fact kmail is affected by the same issue. As I mentioned previously I can send but not receive mail if nm is running and I am using ppp unless my interfaces file says my eth interfaces are dhcp (or I would guess a fixed ip). In this case mail (and ff3 work) but the task bar nm icon always shows a cable network connection and does not indicate the ppp state.
Please don't give up on nm just because ff3 gets to work properly
Thanks for your efforts on ff3 alexander
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Thom Pischke
2008-07-10 18:01:30 UTC
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A firefox fix will be nice (using Kristian's extension now), but what
about pidgin and the other apps consulting network manager?

I don't much care HOW this gets fixed, but I hope to see a no-user-
action-required fix come through soon, for all apps. I just wasted 2
hours trying to figure out why I had a nice modem connection through
gnome-ppp but no internet in my apps before I finally stumbled onto this
issue.

Definitely an embarassing bug for an LTS release.
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snowpunk98
2008-07-11 05:44:52 UTC
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Also having this issue with a Verizon USB720, thankfully I quickly
figured it out in Firefox.
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wpshooter
2008-07-12 11:46:35 UTC
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How will we know when ALL of this has been fixed ?

I have my sister waiting for a computer that I have told her that I
would configure for her use on a dialup ISP basis (she has no access to
broadband) and now I can not get the thing to work.

This is sort of embarrassing !!!
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I have my sister waiting for a computer that I have told her that I
would configure for her use on a dialup ISP basis (she has no access to
broadband) and now I can not get the thing to work.
This is sort of embarrassing !!!
Just use my temporary Firefox solution until they get the update into Ubuntu...
http://www.kristian-hermansen.com/code/disable.offline.mode/disable.offline.mode.html
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.cobnet
2008-07-13 21:31:12 UTC
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I just installed Ubuntu 8.04 on the computer of somebody. They are using
a Speedtouch 330, so I stumbled across usb-adsl-modem-manager
(https://launchpad.net/usb-adsl-modem-manager).

Although usb-adsl-modem-manager makes sure that you can connect to the
internet, Firefox is always in offline mode, so the user needs to go to
the File-menu to switch off this mode. This could be a problem with usb-
adsl-modem-manager, firefox or the network-manager.

As I couldn't use the bug reporting tool of usb-adsl-modem-manager, I
send those on the top contributors list a mail (see
https://launchpad.net/usb-adsl-modem-manager/+topcontributors).

** Also affects: usb-adsl-modem-manager
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
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2008-07-13 21:54:20 UTC
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@.cobnet, Kristian Erik Hermansen: I've had the same problem with the disableofflinemode add-on. Though I could get Firefox to work by checking and unchecking the offline mode item in the file menu.
So apparently the add-on removed the check mark from the item, but didn't really disable the offline-mode.
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No, my addon works in firefox 3.0 for sure :-). I have tested it and
additionally others on this thread have said it works as well. It
does not merely modify the check mark! It sets various internal
firefox variable states to disable the offline mode. If it hasn't
worked for you, then I am unsure why, but this is exactly the reason I
said long ago that depending on networkmanager for internet
connectivity is ridiculous. This bug does not only affect firefox,
but the only fix in the pipeline is for fiefox 3.0.1. Other apps will
still be affected even after that becomes available, so a "real fix"
is still missing. I have been harping on about this for months.
Since no one cared to fix the real problem, I developed a workaround
which does at least work for some people. I don't know why it fails
for you, but ensure you are running firefox 3.0 final, not the
original shipped 8.04 beta version. I also tested with backports
enabled...
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@.cobnet, Kristian Erik Hermansen: I've had the same problem with the
disableofflinemode add-on. Though I could get Firefox to work by checking
and unchecking the offline mode item in the file menu.
So apparently the add-on removed the check mark from the item, but didn't
really disable the offline-mode.
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2008-07-13 21:36:38 UTC
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Kristian Erik Hermansen, I tried your disable.offline.mode add-on, but
then I couldn't use Firefox anymore. Eg. when I type a URL and hit
enter, Firefox does nothing. These same with the search bar. When I
uninstalled the add-on, everything worked again (except for that
annoying offline mode that I needed to manually switch off).
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launcspad
2008-07-15 21:18:30 UTC
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Firefox 3 AND Evolution AND Pidgin starts offline. No, Pidgin is looking
for a connection. What I have to do is to disconnect and connect again
(Pidgin). At Firefox (and Evolution) the File -> uncheck Work offline
solves the problem.

Firefox 2 did not have this problem.

I use HSDPA USB modem. When connected via LAN, no problem, everything is
online.

Skype recognizes the Internet correctly independent of the connection
type. (Altough I don't like this program.)

Sorry, I'm not patient enough to flick trough the whole conversation. If
someone has a quick solution, please show me!
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Pavol Klačanský
2008-07-16 07:41:30 UTC
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i have USB modem with chip conexant, offline mode in liferea, firefox,
evolution

my interfaces:
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback


auto dsl-provider
iface dsl-provider inet ppp
pre-up /sbin/ifconfig nas0 up # line maintained by pppoeconf
provider dsl-provider

auto nas0
iface nas0 inet manual
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Karl Fischer
2008-07-17 07:44:56 UTC
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This bug is Fixed,
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=424626
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forza
2008-07-17 11:41:51 UTC
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This bug is NOT fixed.

Just installed 3.0.1 and the same offline mode bug. Checked the version
number to make sure it was 3.0.1 and not just 3.0.

Thats it for me. I've had enough of firefox and I am looking for a
better browser without this bug.
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Kristian Erik Hermansen
2008-07-17 14:48:59 UTC
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You can use seamonkey instead. I understand why you are upset. I
yelled and yelled long before ubuntu hardy was released, but no one
fucking listened to me. I told them that this bug would be the bane
of the lts release. It is absolutely ridiculous to base network
connectivity on a tool that does not function. For most people these
days, firefox is their OS. You break that and you piss a lost of
people off. However, they decided to break more than firefox it
seems. The only way to fix this bug is to agree that relying on NM to
query online status is not sufficient. All apps that rely on NM
should be changed to use a more reliable status query api...
Post by forza
This bug is NOT fixed.
Just installed 3.0.1 and the same offline mode bug. Checked the version
number to make sure it was 3.0.1 and not just 3.0.
Thats it for me. I've had enough of firefox and I am looking for a
better browser without this bug.
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Post by forza
Thats it for me. I've had enough of firefox and I am looking for a
better browser without this bug.
These kind of statements dont make a difference and dont contribute
anything here. Please keep them out of bugs.

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launcspad
2008-07-17 12:03:22 UTC
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I think this is not a firefox-bug as more online softwer have this
error. (Such Pidgin, Evolution.)

Skype, "Hálózatfigyelő" (network usage icon) and Weather forecast in
the panel-add-on menu recognizes if I'm online.

In my network manager icon I always see an orange triangle with "!" in
the middle, independet of I'm connected or not.

I use Hungarian Vodafone HSDPA with Huaweii E220 USB modem, Ubuntu 8.04
and Firefox 3.
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2008-07-18 08:05:04 UTC
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This bug still exist in FIREFOX but doesn't appear in SEAMONKEY.

This bug still exist in PIDGIN but doesn't appear in AMSN.

Planning to change to SeaMonkey.
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launcspad: yeah, thats because its a NM bug :) ... anyway, 3.0.1 lets
you set a preference called toolkit.networkmanager.disable ... so if you
dont want the NM online state to be considered in firefox go to
about:config, and set that preference to true.


** Description changed:

Binary package hint: firefox-3.0

DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=8.04
DISTRIB_CODENAME=hardy
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu hardy (development branch)"
Firefox 3.0b3
When I start firefox from the panel it always start in offline mode. I am connected via wireless to a network that is always on. When I want to browse I need to unclick "work offline"
+
+ Workaround 1: (since ffox 3.0.1) ->
+ set toolkit.networkmanager.disable to false in about:config

** Description changed:

Binary package hint: firefox-3.0

DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=8.04
DISTRIB_CODENAME=hardy
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu hardy (development branch)"
Firefox 3.0b3
When I start firefox from the panel it always start in offline mode. I am connected via wireless to a network that is always on. When I want to browse I need to unclick "work offline"

Workaround 1: (since ffox 3.0.1) ->
set toolkit.networkmanager.disable to false in about:config
+
+ Workaround 2: (make NM to be always online) ->
+ add a non existing interface to /etc/network/interfaces, like:
+
+ iface eth1000 inet dhcp
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2008-07-18 08:49:14 UTC
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i added two workarounds to the summary. The first is for firefox, the
second should make NM to always expose "online" as state.

Could someone please verify that those work and comment here?
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launcspad
2008-07-20 19:07:11 UTC
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Alexander: the second workaround did not work. The first (about: config)
I don't know how. Please tell me more details! (Step-by-step.) Thanks!
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Alexander: the second workaround did not work. The first (about: config)
I don't know how. Please tell me more details! (Step-by-step.) Thanks!
Please post your /etc/network/interfaces file for the (not-working)
2nd-workaround attempt.

for 1 you go to about:config (in firefox location bar); and use the
right mouse button somewhere in the config table you will see to say "
New -> Boolean".

Then you use the preference name i said and say "true".

For that to work you need to be sure to use firefix 3.0.1. you can
check the version by running

dpkg -l firefox-3.0

on a terminal or in firefox in Help -> About.

- Alexander
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2008-07-21 13:06:37 UTC
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The Firefox workaround works! Thanks a lot, now starts my Firefox ONLINE
with USB modem.

My /etc/network/interfaces file is:


auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
iface eth1000 inet dhcp

# And this 3 lines are followed by lines with "#" at the beginning -- I
think, these are only comments.
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msmalin
2008-07-26 06:18:23 UTC
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The 'iface eth1000 inet dhcp' trick didn't quite wok for me, but I'm not
entirely sure I have the same issue. I'm using Ubuntu 8.04 with a
wireless connection (Intel 3945), and I use Opera rather than firefox,
and what I've been experiencing is when I boot Ubuntu, the network
manager applet shows "Networking Disabled" - I can't view SSIDs, it
doesn't give me the option to create a network or manually configure a
network, nothing. I run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure network-manager" and it
starts behaving normally.

So, it almost seems that whenever I shut down the laptop, something
isn't getting cleared up, and when I boot it back up, whatever didn't
get reset is jacking up the configuration so that it thinks networking
is disabled.
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cubbie
2008-07-26 16:25:54 UTC
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I have Linux Mint Elyssa which is based on Ubuntu Hardy. I use dial-up
modem with serial to usb connector. There wasn't a way for me to create
a connection via Network Administration Tool>Network Settings as there
is no ttyUSB0 choice (there is in KPPP) so I use wvdial to connect to
the internet. That means I'm not always connected. Hello, there are
some of us that still use dial-up.

Firefox 3 gives me the same offline mode problem.

I fixed it by purging
network-manager, which also purged network-manager-gnome.

Now Firefox 3 starts up as it used to in previous versions without any problems. I decided to remove network-manager as it states in the description for this utility "NetworkManager attempts to keep an active network connection available at all
times." Well, that may be all well for cable and wireless connections, but not for dial-up. I also didn't like to see it in my panel with the little red x, as it never found a connection for when I would use dial up. So, it's partly a problem with NM as well.
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Post by cubbie
I have Linux Mint Elyssa which is based on Ubuntu Hardy. I use dial-up
modem with serial to usb connector. There wasn't a way for me to create
a connection via Network Administration Tool>Network Settings as there
is no ttyUSB0 choice (there is in KPPP) so I use wvdial to connect to
the internet. That means I'm not always connected. Hello, there are
some of us that still use dial-up.
Firefox 3 gives me the same offline mode problem.
I fixed it by purging
network-manager, which also purged network-manager-gnome.
Now Firefox 3 starts up as it used to in previous versions without any problems. I decided to remove network-manager as it states in the description for this utility "NetworkManager attempts to keep an active network connection available at all
times." Well, that may be all well for cable and wireless connections, but not for dial-up. I also didn't like to see it in my panel with the little red x, as it never found a connection for when I would use dial up. So, it's partly a problem with NM as well.
Doesnt linux mint have their own bug tracker?
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Springnuts
2008-08-02 12:33:57 UTC
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Hi Alexander

Thanks for suggestions.

Sadly neither workaround works for me. Probably as I am using an Orange
linebox - using the method described here
http://www.orangeproblems.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=19235&sid=2975a93d5718ea39cf1a04afd0de8d98
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thinks it must be offline. Confused? I am!

Regards

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** Also affects: firefox-3.0 (Baltix)
Importance: Undecided
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Jo-Erlend Schinstad
2008-08-12 12:09:08 UTC
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I'm also using a CDMA connection using PPP and Firefox always starts in
offline mode. This is extremely annoying, but not really a big problem.
However, this also means that no Prism-applications work at all, because
it also starts in offline mode, and doesn't have a way to switch.
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I'm also using a CDMA connection using PPP and Firefox always starts in
offline mode. This is extremely annoying, but not really a big problem.
However, this also means that no Prism-applications work at all, because
it also starts in offline mode, and doesn't have a way to switch.
we have builds for NM 0.7 in ~network-manager PPA .... you could try
that to connect to CDMA.

if you try, please report your findings like outlined here:

http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/149-Network-Manager-0.7-bug-reporting-+-3G-hardware-testing.html
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Phuah Yee Keat
2008-08-28 11:29:16 UTC
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I have hacked network-manager to check every second whether any
interface is up or not, besides the loopback interface. It worked
perfectly for my ppp connection. Both firefox and pidgin starts up with
the proper state, and even get notified when my ppp connection dies.

Comments welcomed.

Note that trying out NM0.7 will not solve my problem, as I am using
bluetooth DUN and NM0.7 does not supports that yet.

Cheers.

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Alexander Sack
2008-09-10 23:47:09 UTC
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could you plese minimize your patch (e.g. the .orig files are included
for instance).

Do you also check whether the interface has an IP assigned?
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NM 0.7 should fix most use cases. But i admit that there are still
missed cases, which i am in favour of forcing NM to interpret as online
as as any _unmanaged_ device has an ip.

** Changed in: network-manager (Ubuntu)
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Phuah Yee Keat
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Here you go:
1. its a quilt patch
2. using libnl (using existing structures from nm-netlink-monitor.c)
3. minimal changes
4. checks for POINTOPOINT in the flags (this can be easily removed, but I guess most of us have problems with ppp devices)
5. only handle unmanaged devices
6. utilize the modem_active flag within the data class.

Cheers.

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** Changed in: firefox
Status: Confirmed => Fix Released
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Alexander Sack
2008-09-24 13:52:38 UTC
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thanks for your patch. I would like to consider this. Just one comment
for now:

+nm_device_other_update_ppp (NMData *data,
+ gboolean is_connected)

isnt that a new function which should be declared in some header?

Is it only ppp that causes issues? I think the most failsafe way would
be to say that once we have an interface with an IP, we are "not-
offline". You think you could extend your 0.6 patch accordingly?

Further, we need a similar approach for NM 0.7. The other heuristic we
could use would be to add a new "non-offline" state (MAYBE_OFFLINE),
which is used instead of online if there is any unmanaged device.
Combining this with the IP-is-set heuristic above, could make offline
state more accurate even.

Feel free to ping me in #ubuntu-mozillateam or -devel to get all this
sorted out and landed in intrepid (and hardy for 0.6.6).

Thanks a lot.
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2008-09-24 13:53:57 UTC
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all this is still not a firefox issue. upstream backedn out NM support
in development head. but once we have the proposed patches in upstream
NM tree, we hopefully can enable that feature everwhere again.

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Status: In Progress => Invalid

** Changed in: firefox-3.0 (Ubuntu Hardy)
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** Changed in: evolution (Ubuntu Hardy)
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i would like to get a solution for NM in intrepid and hardy.

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milestoning NM intrepid task for 8.10 final.

** Changed in: network-manager (Ubuntu Intrepid)
Target: None => ubuntu-8.10
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options we have for pidgin are a) drop NM support and b) wait for fixed
NM. Obviously i prefer b). keeping task open anyway.

** Changed in: pidgin (Ubuntu Hardy)
Status: New => Confirmed
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It's not just with ppp. I use iwconfig and dhclient to connect to WEP
networks due to some outstanding bugs with iwl*+NM+WEP, and Firefox and
Evolution are in Offline mode when I do that.
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